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KATANA'S
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Το κατανα είναι τύπος σπαθιού ο οποίος προήλθε από το κινέζικο ευθύ σπαθί το οποίο ήταν διπλής κοπής ωστόσο οι Ιάπωνες οι οποίοι μάχονταν έφιπποι συνήθως συνειδητοποίησαν ότι τα ξίφη με ελαφρά κλήση τους βοηθούσαν να χτυπούν καλύτερα τους αντιπάλους κάνοντας περιστροφική κίνηση πάνω από το κεφαλι. επίσης το σχήμα της κατανα απαιτεί λιγότερη δύναμη κατά τα χτυπήματα μιας και μόνο μια μικρή επιφάνεια έρχεται κάθε φορά σε επαφή με τον αντίπαλο έτσι λόγο ελάχιστης πίεσης απαιτείται λιγότερη ενέργεια. επίσης οι Ιάπωνες πρόσθεσαν άνθρακα και άλλες προσμίξεις στο μέταλλο του κατανα έτσι ώστε να μπορούν να αφαιρέσουν βάρος και να έχουν καλή ελαστικότητα αλλά και ισχύ πράγμα πολύ χρήσιμο μιας και δεν μάχονταν με ασπίδα
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Ακόμη και σήμερα η τέχνη του κατανα συνεχίζεται αν υπάρχει ενδιαφέρον μπορώ να παραθέσω και προτάσεις αγοράς(υπάρχουν πολλές ευκαιρίες) μιας και εγώ είμαι έτοιμος να πάρω το δικό μου
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Ακόμη και σήμερα η τέχνη του κατανα συνεχίζεται αν υπάρχει ενδιαφέρον μπορώ να παραθέσω και προτάσεις αγοράς(υπάρχουν πολλές ευκαιρίες) μιας και εγώ είμαι έτοιμος να πάρω το δικό μου
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Το σπαθί βασικά σπάει γιατί οι σφαίρες δεν το χτυπούν ακριβως στο Hamon (επιφάνεια κοπής που είναι σκληρή) και επίσης το σπαθί αυτό δεν είναι από master κατανα maker γιατί κανείς δεν τους έδωσε για να καταλάβετε το σπαθί των δοκιμών έχει 26000 επιστρώσεις ενώ τα σπαθιά των master έχουν 2^20 ήτοι 1000000 επιστρώσεις
Το σπαθί βασικά σπάει γιατί οι σφαίρες δεν το χτυπούν ακριβως στο Hamon (επιφάνεια κοπής που είναι σκληρή) και επίσης το σπαθί αυτό δεν είναι από master κατανα maker γιατί κανείς δεν τους έδωσε για να καταλάβετε το σπαθί των δοκιμών έχει 26000 επιστρώσεις ενώ τα σπαθιά των master έχουν 2^20 ήτοι 1000000 επιστρώσεις
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Re: KATANA'S
και μια φωτο που εξηγεί τα «κοψίματα»
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Και μερικές προτάσεις από εμένα
Asano was the name of a Japanese feudal ruler. The tsuba of this sword has been beautifully decorated on both sides. The side facing the handle shows a samurai, the other side features landscape motives.
The Asano Katana has a handforged blade made of carbon steel with a fine hamon and has been tempered traditionally. The sharp blade features a hi (fuller) to reduce the total weight. The handle (tsuka) is made of wood, has been coated with real fish skin and features two menukis. In addition it has been traditionally wrapped in black cotton. The tang is especially long and fixed with two bamboo pegs (mekugi). The scabbard (saya) is made of wood and the blade collar (habaki) is made of brass. This katana has been made according to original museum exhibitions. The sword comes with a certificate of origin, wrapped in cloth and packed in a high-quality wooden box. All measures are subject to estimation.
Details:
Blade length to tsuba: 73 cm
Total length without scabbard: 98 cm
Handle length: 25 cm
Blade´s curvature: 19 mm
Weight without scabbard: 1100 g
Weight with scabbard: 1400 g
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... /85708.jpg)
τιμη ~150 ευρο
Mount Fuji is the highest mountain in Japan and plays an important role in the ancient Japanese religion Shinto. Fu means rich, Ji means warrior and San means mountain.
The katana has a handforged blade made of carbon steel with a fine hamon and has been tempered traditionally. In addition, the steel of the blade has been folded 12 times, that means about 8000 layers have been created which give the sword a beautiful damascus pattern. The sharp blade features a hi (fuller) to reduce the total weight. The tsuba shows Mount Fuji. The handle (tsuka) is made of wood, has been coated with real fish skin and features two menukis. In addition it has been traditionally wrapped in black cotton. The tang is especially long and fixed with two bamboo pegs (mekugi). The scabbard (saya) is made of wood and the blade collar (habaki) is made of brass. This katana has been made according to original museum exhibitions. The sword comes with a certificate of origin, wrapped in cloth and packed in a high-quality wooden box. All measures are subject to estimation.
Details:
Blade length to tsuba: 73 cm
Total length without scabbard: 104 cm
Handle length: 30,5 cm
Blade´s curvature: 18-20 mm
Weight without scabbard: 1050 g
Weight with scabbard: 1300 g
TOP TO BUY 300 euro
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... 58_600.jpg)
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... _600_1.jpg)
The sword's blade has been described as cold. It is drawn, and the vapor of the atmosphere collects on its surface. The curve of its back unites exquisite grace and strength. The texture is rich yet pure, with hues of blue. The edge is matchless - upon it, histories lie.
A Dynasty Forge sword is a piece of functional art, a modern heir-look, a symbol of power and prestige. With our deep respect for the traditional process of swordmaking, Dynasty Forge takes up a unique place in the continuity of the Japanese blade - at once traditional and modern. Our swords are made according to the craft and design of the ancient weapon and we draw on centuries of tradition devoted to sword refinery. We are confident that Dynasty Forge offers the finest swords available outside Japan. Our blades are made with genuine respect for authentiv design and process. Yet we recognize the modern warrior's need for weapons that incorporate contemporary materials and methods. We offer a choice, while proudly guaranteeing attention to the hallmarks of traditional Japanese sword esthetics.
Taking the same attention to detail, Dynasty Forge is also reviving the production of high-end Chinese swords. Analyzing history for details and inspiration, our Chinese sword collection sets the benchmark for modern reproductions.
Founded in 2003, Dynasty Forge is the culmination of a diverse group's common love of traditional arms. Starting with only our Daimyo class arms, we strove to shatter the public's conception of the limits to quality of a production sword. Soon after, we expanded our product line to the mid and low-end to offer our customers a complete selection of swords, varying in price but consistent in quality. The company goes beyond merely providing quality arms. Our commitment to quality control, customer service and support means we try our best to ensure complete satisfaction on each and every sale.
This 29" beautiful Samurai Katana is 100% hand-forged from 1095/1085/1060 tri-steel, differentially clay-tempered and hybrid polished. The latest iteration features an austere solid steel horse Tsuba and cherry blossom Fuchi-Kashira.
The 11" Tsuka is wrapped in black silk Ito over genuine ray-skin panels and is double-pinned. The Saya is finished in a black gloss lacquer. The tri-steel construction gives the blade an active and prominent Hada with a frosted Hamon.
Specifications
Blade length 77,41 cm
Handle length 27,94 cm
Weight 1187 g
Handle wrap black silk
Tsuba Horse themed
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... n-prac.jpg)
τιμη ~640
Asano was the name of a Japanese feudal ruler. The tsuba of this sword has been beautifully decorated on both sides. The side facing the handle shows a samurai, the other side features landscape motives.
The Asano Katana has a handforged blade made of carbon steel with a fine hamon and has been tempered traditionally. The sharp blade features a hi (fuller) to reduce the total weight. The handle (tsuka) is made of wood, has been coated with real fish skin and features two menukis. In addition it has been traditionally wrapped in black cotton. The tang is especially long and fixed with two bamboo pegs (mekugi). The scabbard (saya) is made of wood and the blade collar (habaki) is made of brass. This katana has been made according to original museum exhibitions. The sword comes with a certificate of origin, wrapped in cloth and packed in a high-quality wooden box. All measures are subject to estimation.
Details:
Blade length to tsuba: 73 cm
Total length without scabbard: 98 cm
Handle length: 25 cm
Blade´s curvature: 19 mm
Weight without scabbard: 1100 g
Weight with scabbard: 1400 g
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... /85708.jpg)
τιμη ~150 ευρο
Mount Fuji is the highest mountain in Japan and plays an important role in the ancient Japanese religion Shinto. Fu means rich, Ji means warrior and San means mountain.
The katana has a handforged blade made of carbon steel with a fine hamon and has been tempered traditionally. In addition, the steel of the blade has been folded 12 times, that means about 8000 layers have been created which give the sword a beautiful damascus pattern. The sharp blade features a hi (fuller) to reduce the total weight. The tsuba shows Mount Fuji. The handle (tsuka) is made of wood, has been coated with real fish skin and features two menukis. In addition it has been traditionally wrapped in black cotton. The tang is especially long and fixed with two bamboo pegs (mekugi). The scabbard (saya) is made of wood and the blade collar (habaki) is made of brass. This katana has been made according to original museum exhibitions. The sword comes with a certificate of origin, wrapped in cloth and packed in a high-quality wooden box. All measures are subject to estimation.
Details:
Blade length to tsuba: 73 cm
Total length without scabbard: 104 cm
Handle length: 30,5 cm
Blade´s curvature: 18-20 mm
Weight without scabbard: 1050 g
Weight with scabbard: 1300 g
TOP TO BUY 300 euro
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... 58_600.jpg)
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... _600_1.jpg)
The sword's blade has been described as cold. It is drawn, and the vapor of the atmosphere collects on its surface. The curve of its back unites exquisite grace and strength. The texture is rich yet pure, with hues of blue. The edge is matchless - upon it, histories lie.
A Dynasty Forge sword is a piece of functional art, a modern heir-look, a symbol of power and prestige. With our deep respect for the traditional process of swordmaking, Dynasty Forge takes up a unique place in the continuity of the Japanese blade - at once traditional and modern. Our swords are made according to the craft and design of the ancient weapon and we draw on centuries of tradition devoted to sword refinery. We are confident that Dynasty Forge offers the finest swords available outside Japan. Our blades are made with genuine respect for authentiv design and process. Yet we recognize the modern warrior's need for weapons that incorporate contemporary materials and methods. We offer a choice, while proudly guaranteeing attention to the hallmarks of traditional Japanese sword esthetics.
Taking the same attention to detail, Dynasty Forge is also reviving the production of high-end Chinese swords. Analyzing history for details and inspiration, our Chinese sword collection sets the benchmark for modern reproductions.
Founded in 2003, Dynasty Forge is the culmination of a diverse group's common love of traditional arms. Starting with only our Daimyo class arms, we strove to shatter the public's conception of the limits to quality of a production sword. Soon after, we expanded our product line to the mid and low-end to offer our customers a complete selection of swords, varying in price but consistent in quality. The company goes beyond merely providing quality arms. Our commitment to quality control, customer service and support means we try our best to ensure complete satisfaction on each and every sale.
This 29" beautiful Samurai Katana is 100% hand-forged from 1095/1085/1060 tri-steel, differentially clay-tempered and hybrid polished. The latest iteration features an austere solid steel horse Tsuba and cherry blossom Fuchi-Kashira.
The 11" Tsuka is wrapped in black silk Ito over genuine ray-skin panels and is double-pinned. The Saya is finished in a black gloss lacquer. The tri-steel construction gives the blade an active and prominent Hada with a frosted Hamon.
Specifications
Blade length 77,41 cm
Handle length 27,94 cm
Weight 1187 g
Handle wrap black silk
Tsuba Horse themed
(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd33 ... n-prac.jpg)
τιμη ~640
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Το δικό μου που αγόρασα σήμερα έρχεται παρέα με το locker του που δεν επιτραπεί να το βγάλεις από την θήκη χωρίς κλειδί και φυσικά το δικό μου είναι κοφτερό και μάλιστα Α grade από άποψη δυνατότητας κοπής αλλά δεν έχω σκεφτεί καν να αρχίζω να παίζω με αυτό η να κάνω δοκιμές για το πόσο καλά κόβει απλά αν πάρεις κατανα είναι ιεροσυλία να την πάρεις ακονιστη
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Έχω κάνει ενδελεχείς μελέτες στο θέμα κατανα και δεν μπορούσα να αντισταθώ πλέον έπρεπε να πάρω ;D
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Έχω κάνει ενδελεχείς μελέτες στο θέμα κατανα και δεν μπορούσα να αντισταθώ πλέον έπρεπε να πάρω ;D
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Re: KATANA'S
Glossary of Japanese Sword Terms
Ashi Small pattern of softer steel extending from the ji into the hamon. This pattern in the hamon was to prevent large sections of the cutting edge from being broken off.
Ayasugi This is a large wavey hada
Bo'Hi A wide groove or Hi in the blade. Often believed to channel blood from your slain opponent and commonly called a "Blood Groove." The Bo'Hi "groove" is to lighten the blade just as the fuller in a European sword.
Boshi The rounded hardened edge on the point or Kissaki of the blade.
Choji Clover or mushroom shaped hamon pattern.
Fuchi Collar beside the tsuba
Gunome Semi circular wave shaped hamon.
Ha The cutting edge of the blade. Also the section that would be sharpened.
Habuchi This is the transitional zone from hard to soft steel or the line defining the edge of the hamon.
Hada The pattern or grain in the blade that is a result of folding the steel
Hamachi The notch at the beginning of the cutting edge
Hamon The line seen between the edge and spine of a blade where the metal is changes hardness. This is typical in Japanese styled blades from the process of differential tempering or hardening.
Hi A groove in the blade. Often believed to channel blood from your slain opponent and commonly called a "Blood Groove." The Bo'Hi "groove" is to lighten the blade just as the fuller in a European sword.
Horimono Carving or Engraving in the Blade
Inazuma Streaks of hardened steel in a vertical zig-zag pattern in the transition zone habuchi. This type of hamon literally means "lightning bolts"
Itame Wood-like grain in the steel, This type of Hada is similar to the side grain in a block of wood, with irregular rounded shapes.
Ito silk or cotton hilt wrapping
Ji The blade surface just above the hamon and below the shinogi
Jihadda Grain pattern in the Ji
Kashira Butt cap on the tsuka
Kinsuji A type of hamon that means "golden lines"
Kissaki The point or tip of the blade
Koiguchi The fitting or mouth of the saya
Kurikata Fitting on the saya for attaching the sageo
Menuki The ornament under the Ito on the Tsuka
Mune The back or spine of the blade
Obi The Belt or Sash worn by the martial artist
Sageo The cord used for tying the saya to the obi
Same Rayskin used for covering the tsuka under the Ito
Shinogi The ridge line defining the Yakiba or edge of the blade
Shinogi-Ji The flat section just above the Shinogi
Tsuba The guard on the sword.
Tsuka The handle or the grip of the sword
Yakiba The sharpened cutting edge of the blade
Ashi Small pattern of softer steel extending from the ji into the hamon. This pattern in the hamon was to prevent large sections of the cutting edge from being broken off.
Ayasugi This is a large wavey hada
Bo'Hi A wide groove or Hi in the blade. Often believed to channel blood from your slain opponent and commonly called a "Blood Groove." The Bo'Hi "groove" is to lighten the blade just as the fuller in a European sword.
Boshi The rounded hardened edge on the point or Kissaki of the blade.
Choji Clover or mushroom shaped hamon pattern.
Fuchi Collar beside the tsuba
Gunome Semi circular wave shaped hamon.
Ha The cutting edge of the blade. Also the section that would be sharpened.
Habuchi This is the transitional zone from hard to soft steel or the line defining the edge of the hamon.
Hada The pattern or grain in the blade that is a result of folding the steel
Hamachi The notch at the beginning of the cutting edge
Hamon The line seen between the edge and spine of a blade where the metal is changes hardness. This is typical in Japanese styled blades from the process of differential tempering or hardening.
Hi A groove in the blade. Often believed to channel blood from your slain opponent and commonly called a "Blood Groove." The Bo'Hi "groove" is to lighten the blade just as the fuller in a European sword.
Horimono Carving or Engraving in the Blade
Inazuma Streaks of hardened steel in a vertical zig-zag pattern in the transition zone habuchi. This type of hamon literally means "lightning bolts"
Itame Wood-like grain in the steel, This type of Hada is similar to the side grain in a block of wood, with irregular rounded shapes.
Ito silk or cotton hilt wrapping
Ji The blade surface just above the hamon and below the shinogi
Jihadda Grain pattern in the Ji
Kashira Butt cap on the tsuka
Kinsuji A type of hamon that means "golden lines"
Kissaki The point or tip of the blade
Koiguchi The fitting or mouth of the saya
Kurikata Fitting on the saya for attaching the sageo
Menuki The ornament under the Ito on the Tsuka
Mune The back or spine of the blade
Obi The Belt or Sash worn by the martial artist
Sageo The cord used for tying the saya to the obi
Same Rayskin used for covering the tsuka under the Ito
Shinogi The ridge line defining the Yakiba or edge of the blade
Shinogi-Ji The flat section just above the Shinogi
Tsuba The guard on the sword.
Tsuka The handle or the grip of the sword
Yakiba The sharpened cutting edge of the blade
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Re: KATANA'S
Τα χαρακτηριστικά του είναι
Λεπίδα
Hand forged θα μου πεις όχι διπλωμένη και θα πω ναι μεν αλλά η διπλωμένη λεπίδα ακολουθεί την παράδοση αλλά με την σημερινή ποιότητα του ατσαλιού (high carbon steel 1095) δεν χρειάζεται να διπλωθεί (εχω παραγγείλει και 1 διπλωμένο με tri steel κατασκευή και θα το έχω σε κάνα χρόνο).(η Μέκκα των λεπίδων είναι οι tamahagane οι οποίες είναι από το παραδοσιακό ιαπωνικό ατσάλι και φυσικά είναι διπλωμένες)
Το έχτα που πρόσθεσα στην λεπίδα μου είναι το natural hamon με την μέθοδο clay temper το οποίο μάλιστα ζήτησα να έχει και διπλό κύμα ή διπλή temper line πραγμα σπάνιο έτσι με την μέθοδο αυτή εχω μια λεπίδα με σκληρότητα 62 hrc εμπρός και 40 πίσω ,αρα εχω μπροστα δύναμη και πισω σκληρότητα για να μην σπάει.τελος
Το κέντρο βάρους είναι στις 5” αν και συνηθίζεται να είναι στις 7 με 8 αλλά αλλα έχω πολλούς λογους να το θελω στις 5(μεγαλύτερη δύναμη καλύτερη ισορροπία λόγο του βάρους τις κατασκευής )
Tsuka(λαβή )
Από μπαμπού για να συνάδει με την ιστορία menuki με τον praing Mantis (μεταλλικά σύμβολα λαβής).τέλος η λαβή τυλίγεται με ιαπωνικό μαύρο μετάξι
Τsuba
1 απλο για αρχη δεν βρήκα κατι που να με ενθουσιάσει
Seya
Βαθύ κόκκινο γυαλισμένο για να τονίζει ότι πρόκειται για όπλο
αυτα εν συντομια
Λεπίδα
Hand forged θα μου πεις όχι διπλωμένη και θα πω ναι μεν αλλά η διπλωμένη λεπίδα ακολουθεί την παράδοση αλλά με την σημερινή ποιότητα του ατσαλιού (high carbon steel 1095) δεν χρειάζεται να διπλωθεί (εχω παραγγείλει και 1 διπλωμένο με tri steel κατασκευή και θα το έχω σε κάνα χρόνο).(η Μέκκα των λεπίδων είναι οι tamahagane οι οποίες είναι από το παραδοσιακό ιαπωνικό ατσάλι και φυσικά είναι διπλωμένες)
Το έχτα που πρόσθεσα στην λεπίδα μου είναι το natural hamon με την μέθοδο clay temper το οποίο μάλιστα ζήτησα να έχει και διπλό κύμα ή διπλή temper line πραγμα σπάνιο έτσι με την μέθοδο αυτή εχω μια λεπίδα με σκληρότητα 62 hrc εμπρός και 40 πίσω ,αρα εχω μπροστα δύναμη και πισω σκληρότητα για να μην σπάει.τελος
Το κέντρο βάρους είναι στις 5” αν και συνηθίζεται να είναι στις 7 με 8 αλλά αλλα έχω πολλούς λογους να το θελω στις 5(μεγαλύτερη δύναμη καλύτερη ισορροπία λόγο του βάρους τις κατασκευής )
Tsuka(λαβή )
Από μπαμπού για να συνάδει με την ιστορία menuki με τον praing Mantis (μεταλλικά σύμβολα λαβής).τέλος η λαβή τυλίγεται με ιαπωνικό μαύρο μετάξι
Τsuba
1 απλο για αρχη δεν βρήκα κατι που να με ενθουσιάσει
Seya
Βαθύ κόκκινο γυαλισμένο για να τονίζει ότι πρόκειται για όπλο
αυτα εν συντομια
