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Re: Ελβετικοί σουγιάδες
Παιδιά, για να ξεμπερδευτούμε, ποιες είναι οι διαφορές μεταξύ Wenger & Victorinox?
Και οι δύο διατείνονται ότι τα προϊόντα τους είναι τα "γνήσια" ή τα "αυθεντικά". Ποια από τις 2 τελικά έχει σύμβαση με τον ελβετικό στρατό -εξ'ού και το swiss military η μία, swiss army η άλλη- ή μήπως και οι δύο, από το 1908, όπως αναφέρεται στην "ιστορία" της Wenger??
Επίσης γνωρίζω ότι η Wenger εξαγοράστηκε από την Victorinox, αλλά κρατά το όνομα και την "γνησιότητα" των σουγιάδων. Αληθεύει?
Και οι δύο διατείνονται ότι τα προϊόντα τους είναι τα "γνήσια" ή τα "αυθεντικά". Ποια από τις 2 τελικά έχει σύμβαση με τον ελβετικό στρατό -εξ'ού και το swiss military η μία, swiss army η άλλη- ή μήπως και οι δύο, από το 1908, όπως αναφέρεται στην "ιστορία" της Wenger??
Επίσης γνωρίζω ότι η Wenger εξαγοράστηκε από την Victorinox, αλλά κρατά το όνομα και την "γνησιότητα" των σουγιάδων. Αληθεύει?
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Re: Ελβετικοί σουγιάδες
ναι, αγοράστηκε πριν 3 ή 4 χρόνια αν θυμάμαι καλά. Και οι δύο προμήθευαν τον ελβετικό στρατό. οπότε και οι δύο έχουν το δικαίωμα αυτό. Βέβαια τα wenger ήταν πάντα πιο ακριβά χωρίς να προσφέρουν κάτι παραπάνω, έχουν κάτι ωραίες πατεντούλες αλλά είναι μόνο διαφορετικότητα χωρίς να δίνουν κάποιο πλεονέκτημα, ίσως και μειονέκτημα τις περισσότερες. Αλλά για την ιστορία ο παππούς Elsener ήταν αυτός που δημιούργησε το πρώτο σουγιαδάκι στο οποίο οι λεπίδες ανοίγαν και από τις δύο πλευρές. Το όνομα είναι από τη μητέρα του Victoria και το inox επειδή ήταν ανοξείδωτοι. Το Wenger ήταν το επίθετο του ιδρυτή.
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Re: Ελβετικοί σουγιάδες
To λογότυπο swiss army έχουνε το δικαίωμα χρήσης μόνο η Victorinox και η Wenger. Αυτές έχουνε και τα συμβόλαια προμηθείας. Τώρα πια η Wenger ανήκει στην Victorinox. Αλλά τη διατηρεί μιας και ο Ελβετικός στρατός θέλει δύο προμηθευτές.
Οι λοιποί λέγονται swiss military.
Οι λοιποί λέγονται swiss military.
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ναι, αλλα κανε κ κανα θεματακι ρε τζωρτζη, γιατι εχουμε βαρεθει!!
400 το αγορασες...ο λαδεμπορας...
αφου δεν το χεις το ποσταρισμα,παμε για ρακετες!
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Re: Ελβετικοί σουγιάδες
αυτό ίσως σου είναι πιο κατατοπιστικό.
Elsener, through his company Victorinox, managed to corner the market until 1893, when the second industrial cutler of Switzerland, Paul Boéchat & Cie, headquartered in Delémont in the French-speaking region of Jura, started selling a similar product. This company was later acquired by its then General Manager, Theodore Wenger, and renamed the Wenger Company. In 1908 the Swiss government, wanting to prevent an issue over regional favouritism, but perhaps wanting a bit of competition in hopes of lowering prices, split the contract with Victorinox and Wenger, each getting half of the orders placed. By mutual agreement, Wenger advertises as the Genuine Swiss Army Knife and Victorinox uses the slogan the Original Swiss Army Knife.
On April 26, 2005 Victorinox acquired Wenger, becoming once again the sole supplier of knives to the Swiss Army. Victorinox has stated that it intends to keep both consumer brands intact.
Το αστείο είναι ότι ο Elsener έφτιαξε τα σουγιαδάκια ελπίζοντας να προμηθεύσει στον ελβετικό στρατό (είχε ήδη μαχαιροποιεία) επειδή μέχρι τότε τα προμηθευόντουσαν από τους γερμανούς. Πλέον οι γερμανοί αλλά και το ΝΑΤΟ γενικά προμηθεύονται από τη Victorinox!
Elsener, through his company Victorinox, managed to corner the market until 1893, when the second industrial cutler of Switzerland, Paul Boéchat & Cie, headquartered in Delémont in the French-speaking region of Jura, started selling a similar product. This company was later acquired by its then General Manager, Theodore Wenger, and renamed the Wenger Company. In 1908 the Swiss government, wanting to prevent an issue over regional favouritism, but perhaps wanting a bit of competition in hopes of lowering prices, split the contract with Victorinox and Wenger, each getting half of the orders placed. By mutual agreement, Wenger advertises as the Genuine Swiss Army Knife and Victorinox uses the slogan the Original Swiss Army Knife.
On April 26, 2005 Victorinox acquired Wenger, becoming once again the sole supplier of knives to the Swiss Army. Victorinox has stated that it intends to keep both consumer brands intact.
Το αστείο είναι ότι ο Elsener έφτιαξε τα σουγιαδάκια ελπίζοντας να προμηθεύσει στον ελβετικό στρατό (είχε ήδη μαχαιροποιεία) επειδή μέχρι τότε τα προμηθευόντουσαν από τους γερμανούς. Πλέον οι γερμανοί αλλά και το ΝΑΤΟ γενικά προμηθεύονται από τη Victorinox!
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Re: Ελβετικοί σουγιάδες
Ρε παιδες,μια-αφελης ισως-απορια:Αυτος ο ελβετικος στρατος υπαρχει,κι αν ναι τι σόι στρατος ειναι αν κρινω απο τη χωρα?
Εγω ξερω μονο την ελβετικη φρουρα που φυλαει τον Πάπα,και εμφανισιακα τουλαχιστον φαινονται πολυ μαχιμοι και μοβοροι...
Εγω ξερω μονο την ελβετικη φρουρα που φυλαει τον Πάπα,και εμφανισιακα τουλαχιστον φαινονται πολυ μαχιμοι και μοβοροι...
Ψάχνω για το τέλειο ρολόι...ελπίζω να μην το βρω ποτέ!
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υπάρχουν και εξοπλιστικά είναι πολύ δυνατοί. Ελβετική τεχνολογία βλέπεις. Φτιάχνουν δικά τους άρματα, πιστόλια, όπλα, ακόμα και πυραυλικά συστήματα. Και εμείς έχουμε αγοράσει κάποια με την ονομασία "Βέλος". Έχει και η wikipedia κάποια άρθρα: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland. Βέβαια σε μάχη δεν έχουμε δει τον σχετικά σύγχρονο στρατό, η επιχείρηση Tannenbaum, που ήταν η κατάλυση της Ελβετίας από τους Ναζί δεν έγινε ποτέ λόγω της λήξης του πολέμου, οπότε δε γνωρίζουμε τη μαχητικότητα τους σε πραγματικές συνθήκες πολέμου.
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Re: Ελβετικοί σουγιάδες
"How can you trust an army that has a wine opener on its knife?" Αυτό βέβαια δεν ισχύει γιατί δεν υπάρχει τιρμπουσόν στους σουγιάδες του στρατού αλλά στους εμπορικούς.
http://www.swissarmyknife.eu/
List of problems solved by MacGyver
http://www.swissarmyknife.eu/list_of_pr ... er_en.html
παρένθεση ότι αν δείτε το πρώτο επεισόδιο του MacGyver χρησιμοποιεί έναν Wenger για πρώτη και τελευταία φορά. Δε γνωρίζω αν η Victorinox χρηματοδοτούσε τη σειρά ή όχι και γι'αυτό αλλάξαν εταιρία ή απλά ήταν επιλογή του σκηνοθέτη.
http://www.swissarmyknife.eu/
List of problems solved by MacGyver
http://www.swissarmyknife.eu/list_of_pr ... er_en.html
παρένθεση ότι αν δείτε το πρώτο επεισόδιο του MacGyver χρησιμοποιεί έναν Wenger για πρώτη και τελευταία φορά. Δε γνωρίζω αν η Victorinox χρηματοδοτούσε τη σειρά ή όχι και γι'αυτό αλλάξαν εταιρία ή απλά ήταν επιλογή του σκηνοθέτη.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το μέλος dimRHO την Τρί Μάιος 18, 2010 6:10 pm, έχει επεξεργασθεί 1 φορά συνολικά.
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Does the Swiss army really use the Swiss army knife?
January 27, 1995
Dear Cecil:
Did the Swiss army really use the Swiss army knife?
— Matthew Steiner
Dear Matthew:
But of course. I know this because I heard it from one Tanya, a Swiss citizen living in the U.S. whose father served in the Swiss army. Tanya confirms that her dad was issued a regulation Swiss army knife not unlike the ones we civilians are familiar with. I was going to ask Tanya for more details, but unfortunately I lost her phone number, one of the hazards you face in this business when you start doing research via talk radio rather than the library. But I'm confident Tanya would have told me that the main difference between her father's knife and the ones you're familiar with was that the handle was anodized aluminum rather than red plastic. (Red is supposed to make the knife easier to find when dropped in the snow, a mishap to which military personnel are apparently immune.) I am also certain she would have told me the knife was furnished with the standard soldierly assortment of tools, consisting of a thick stainless steel blade, two screwdrivers, a can opener, and an awl. That is, unless her father was an officer, in which case his knife might have included a corkscrew. The privileges of rank.
Two Swiss manufacturers, Victorinox and Wenger, each supply 25,000 knives annually to the Swiss army, which amounts to a little more than one day's production. The rest of the two companies' vast output--together they produce about seven million knives a year--is mostly exported, the U.S. being by far the largest customer. (Non-Swiss knockoffs are also available; the real thing will have Victorinox or Wenger stamped on one of the blades.) Hundreds of models are available, ranging from a basic two-blade version to an eight-ounce, 29-tool octopus that will let you do everything from rebuilding an Edsel to picking your teeth. You can get tools ranging from corkscrews and magnifying glasses to aspirin-bottle-cotton pullers. There's even a model with a blade that will let you perform--I am not making this up--an emergency tracheotomy, no doubt inspired by an actual emergency tracheotomy performed with an SAK aboard an airliner in flight. The in-store demonstrations must be quite a sight.
The modern Swiss army knife dates back to 1891, when Victorinox founder Karl Elsener began supplying the Swiss army with knives made in Switzerland, previous army blades having been manufactured in Germany. The original wooden-handled knife featured a blade, a screwdriver, a can opener, and a punch, but Elsener didn't really hit his stride until 1897, when he invented an officer's version that used a special spring mechanism to enable more utensils to be added without increasing the size of the handle. In 1908 the Swiss army decided to split the contract, with half the order going to Victorinox, in the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and the other half to a firm run by rival cutlery maker Theodore Wenger, headquartered in a canton where everybody spoke French. They claim they did this in the interest of national harmony, but they may have also figured a little competition would keep the price down. If so, they were right. Today you can get a Swiss army knife for as little as nine bucks.
American GIs discovered the Swiss army knife during the World War II era, but it's only in the last 20 years or so that it has become a mass-market item in North America. Today the knife has become emblematic of almost comical versatility. Some feel the knife is overrated, and Cecil must say his personal panacea for life's little crises is duct tape and drywall screws. A tracheotomy with drywall screws, however, is not a pretty thing to contemplate. All things considered, a Swiss army knife is probably still your best bet.
— Cecil Adams
January 27, 1995
Dear Cecil:
Did the Swiss army really use the Swiss army knife?
— Matthew Steiner
Dear Matthew:
But of course. I know this because I heard it from one Tanya, a Swiss citizen living in the U.S. whose father served in the Swiss army. Tanya confirms that her dad was issued a regulation Swiss army knife not unlike the ones we civilians are familiar with. I was going to ask Tanya for more details, but unfortunately I lost her phone number, one of the hazards you face in this business when you start doing research via talk radio rather than the library. But I'm confident Tanya would have told me that the main difference between her father's knife and the ones you're familiar with was that the handle was anodized aluminum rather than red plastic. (Red is supposed to make the knife easier to find when dropped in the snow, a mishap to which military personnel are apparently immune.) I am also certain she would have told me the knife was furnished with the standard soldierly assortment of tools, consisting of a thick stainless steel blade, two screwdrivers, a can opener, and an awl. That is, unless her father was an officer, in which case his knife might have included a corkscrew. The privileges of rank.
Two Swiss manufacturers, Victorinox and Wenger, each supply 25,000 knives annually to the Swiss army, which amounts to a little more than one day's production. The rest of the two companies' vast output--together they produce about seven million knives a year--is mostly exported, the U.S. being by far the largest customer. (Non-Swiss knockoffs are also available; the real thing will have Victorinox or Wenger stamped on one of the blades.) Hundreds of models are available, ranging from a basic two-blade version to an eight-ounce, 29-tool octopus that will let you do everything from rebuilding an Edsel to picking your teeth. You can get tools ranging from corkscrews and magnifying glasses to aspirin-bottle-cotton pullers. There's even a model with a blade that will let you perform--I am not making this up--an emergency tracheotomy, no doubt inspired by an actual emergency tracheotomy performed with an SAK aboard an airliner in flight. The in-store demonstrations must be quite a sight.
The modern Swiss army knife dates back to 1891, when Victorinox founder Karl Elsener began supplying the Swiss army with knives made in Switzerland, previous army blades having been manufactured in Germany. The original wooden-handled knife featured a blade, a screwdriver, a can opener, and a punch, but Elsener didn't really hit his stride until 1897, when he invented an officer's version that used a special spring mechanism to enable more utensils to be added without increasing the size of the handle. In 1908 the Swiss army decided to split the contract, with half the order going to Victorinox, in the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and the other half to a firm run by rival cutlery maker Theodore Wenger, headquartered in a canton where everybody spoke French. They claim they did this in the interest of national harmony, but they may have also figured a little competition would keep the price down. If so, they were right. Today you can get a Swiss army knife for as little as nine bucks.
American GIs discovered the Swiss army knife during the World War II era, but it's only in the last 20 years or so that it has become a mass-market item in North America. Today the knife has become emblematic of almost comical versatility. Some feel the knife is overrated, and Cecil must say his personal panacea for life's little crises is duct tape and drywall screws. A tracheotomy with drywall screws, however, is not a pretty thing to contemplate. All things considered, a Swiss army knife is probably still your best bet.
— Cecil Adams